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So, am I anti-traditional or anti-marriage?

A couple of days ago; I posted about the traditional method of getting married in our culture; to be more specific; I wanted to point out how this method is being abused and how it gives a bad outcome in the end.

I received so many comments from readers who are totally for this method, and some who were against it.

I guess I have to clarify where I stand from this whole thing. If it has always been done this way; it does not mean that it is right or wrong, because as my friend Ohoud commented: it is not a black and white thing.

In the past; bride and groom did not even see each other till the wedding night; and they accepted their fates with open hearts and moved on; had children and lived their lives normally. But let's not forget that the times have truly changed; back in those days; women had to totally cover up when they go out and they were usually escorted by a male figure or an elder female.

As time and cultures evolved; girls were allowed to pursue education and they started going to schools and bit by bit; they did not need to cover up like before which allowed members of community to see them and maybe talk to them.

Despite all this evolution; mothers were dominant when it came to choosing brides for their beloved sons. Some women took this as a profession and they acted as matchmakers or "khatba". They used to go from house to house; showing photos of girls to the mothers men seeking marriage, and for a small fee; she acted as the intermediary between families till the marriage took place.


But time continued to evolve; new habits were being introduced into our closed culture over and over, and that is because we got exposed to western cultures through the occupation that lasted long years and through those who traveled abroad and came back with new visions of the future and started changing things. Mingling became a part of modern society and it was not that taboo to know someone before proposing to her.

The question is: why is this one thing not changing?

It perplexes me how men know many girls and then when it comes to marriage; none of them is good enough. Just how many times we heard the excuse: "if she went out with me, she went out with others and I want someone who never knew anyone other than me." How egocentric and arrogant is that?

OK, so not all men are like that, but what is the percentage of those who are? If the same guys who are open to having a girlfriend choose traditional as their way of getting married, then there is something wrong with the picture, right?

Some argue that there are difficulties meeting girls. Let me assume away that this is true, and the poor guys are not finding Ms. Perfect; not at university, work, gym, clubs, coffee shops, malls, movie theatres, … shall I go on? They can't find someone in all these places and their only hope is picking one from a pile of photos or through the eyes of their mothers. If the men were shy and not out there changing girlfriends like changing mobile phones; I would say: yes, they are right, they are not able to find a good girl because there is not enough choices, but this applies to a very small percentage of men; the majority want it all, they want to have fun and always have a female figure in their lives, and when the times comes and they are ready to tie the knot; it has to be someone who is very pure and does not see any other man in the world but them.

I am not generalizing; I am simply describing a phenomenon that is there and no one can deny that it does exist. So when I say that men and women enter the relationships for the very wrong reasons; this is exactly what I mean; men want fun and women want husbands; the two objectives will never meet.


Traditional method can be a good model but only if it is done right. The comments on my previous posts made me ask myself: am I anti-traditional or anti-marriage altogether?

I will tell you one thing though: I will never marry a guy based on a 2-hour interview; heck you can't even hire someone based on one interview, how about spending the rest of your life with them?

Many of the comments stated: traditional marriages do work most of the time; but are we sure that they do? Check the chat rooms and see for yourself how many married men are seeking discreet relationships with other women because they are not happy and feel that they made a mistake when they married someone they did not know. You would be shocked to learn that these men are willing to have affairs just to feel good about themselves, and when asked why they don’t communicate with their wives; mostly the answer is: she does not understand me.

At the same time; you will find many desperate housewives seeking understanding and intimacy from other men who usually take advantage of their weaknesses and vulnerability, which explains the rates of infidelity that are growing higher in our part of the world. Is this the definition of working marriages? Of course this is not the general rule, but we cannot deny that this is happening.


I'd rather stay single than get caught in a marriage with a husband that feels trapped with me and seeks solace with another woman no matter how innocent their relationship might be.


On February, 16, 2006 3:54 PM , wedad said:

for me too i prefer shadow of a wall wala shadow of a man (ya3ni del 7aita wala del ragel) :)

On February, 16, 2006 5:16 PM , bassel said:

i quote "Just how many times we heard the excuse: "if she went out with me, she went out with others and I want someone who never knew anyone other than me." How egocentric and arrogant is that?"
well, men who say this to themselves or other friends are really..really sick and one sided.

as for why men tend to "not like" all the women they know when it come to choosing one, it's because the idea of marriage is so frightning that i guess the "subconsciousness" tends to run away and put obstacles and hinder the way of proposing.

other reasons, is that we " by we i mean men in general" think of all the time that we're going to spend with this/that woman, and wnat to choose someone that will keep life a little bit fun after 10-20 years of marriage, and we think that we are perfect or at least choose someone like us- so that we are'nt willing to give up some of the habbits we used to do".
Just let me say something..many arab women are bilateral "with two faces" that they sometimes tend to be the really weak side and other times the tyrans......

On February, 16, 2006 5:38 PM , Mustapha said:

Hi Khalidah,

I agree with you, It is demeaning to browse through women to find up a match, it objectifies women and somehow gives too much power to a prospective husband. It is unfair.

However, your scenario is an extreme one. It assumes the people in question behave in dishonest ways with each other just to get married.

Why don't we keep an open mind about this fact: meeting a girl in her house is not very different than meeting her in a bar/gym/library. They are both opportunities to meet someone from the opposite sex. You next go out on a date, a second..a third..etc, which is very similar to the motions you go through when you "bump" into someone you like and ask her out. You might click, or you might not, and you can feel free to get to know each other for 3 years before you're both comfortable to tie the knot.

Let's say a Lebanese man lives and works outside of Lebanon. This man is not shy, he's confident around women and is comfortable in asking someone he likes out. But this man has only one month a year in Lebanon, he's 30, he has a secure job and he wants to start a family.

considering our society insists that your wife be of your same religion, What should our not-so-hypothetical guy do in this case?

On February, 16, 2006 6:49 PM , Dar said:

Well i totally agree , ya3ni they want girls to go out , then when it gets to marriage they will never choose one of those girls ...... i dont think that it stops here , it is part of the being slefish and caring about yrslf only which had invaded our community beshakel mo tabee3i , i will have a post about this oneday !
CheeerZ!

On February, 16, 2006 7:31 PM , Abdelstar alslimat said:

Mustapha this is jordan we tolking about not lala land, in jordan the man will not go to a bar to meet some one for marriage.

On February, 16, 2006 10:56 PM , Khawaja M. said:

I do agree... 1000%
if knowing 1000 ladies does not support you to make a choice between them then it is better not to marry! than waiting for your mom to choose your pretty woman!

On February, 16, 2006 11:52 PM , Fadi K. said:

Hello, I personally agree with Mostapha excluding the BAR thing because I am not into that. Those who Bassel quoted, they have double standards indeed and they are sick!

I don't think that dating a girl/guy is something "alright" to do unless it's serious enough to start a long term relationship. We misunderstand having a friend from the other sex to "flirting" most of the times because we were not brought up to be responsible and, it kind of way too far & odd when it comes to our culture. Perhaps that confuses people when it comes to getting married.

I would love to get married to a girl whom I meet on my own, get to know each others well , like each others and propose to her at the right time when we're both ready to tie have the knot tied.

But it's not Fairy Tales all the time : )

On February, 16, 2006 11:55 PM , Fadi K. said:

A shadow of a wall Wedad?
thats disgrace guys .. what do you think?

On February, 17, 2006 2:54 PM , Abu Sinan said:

Many good ideas here. I think traditional and non traditional is fine, as long as things are kept clean.

The issue with guys who play and then want clean girls always kills me. I have had this discussion many times. I try to tell these guys that the girl that you "think is clean" is probably the dirtiest one out there, she just knows how to keep it covered up better than the rest.

Double standards piss me off. if the guy messed around, what makes him think that he deserves a "clean" girl in the first place? What makes his past any better than hers?

When you start off from this opinion and direction you are doomed. From the very begining there is the idea that the male is above, better than the female. This is nonsense and certainly ISNT Islam.

The Prophet(PBUH) didnt view his wives in this manner. They were his friends, with whom he argued sometimes. He helped with chores around the house, you name it.

It is the culture that bugs me. A Jordanian lady we are friends with came over the other day and she was very surprised when she saw me changing diapers, feeding the baby, ect. She said this just isnt done usually, the man doesnt do these things.

I am a Muslim, my wife is my best friend and my equal. The chores of the house are mine equally. I cook, I do dishes, change diapers, feed the baby, you name it. My wife does not work, she is educated, and is treated the way a true Muslim woman should be treated.

I think if this happened more often there wouldnt be so many Muslim women questioning marriage. The sad fact is many of them have given up the idea of ever finding anyone decent.

On February, 17, 2006 3:01 PM , Laith Zraikat said:

It is really hard to preach a point of view about marriage, because you never know when, how or two whom you get married. Thus, you might end up contradicting yourself, and most people do.

On February, 17, 2006 3:28 PM , Feras said:

Khalida,

You did clearly articulated why you found certain methods for marriage inappropriate, but I am afraid that I still did not see what you perceive the solution to be. How can I do it right and avoid the future problems you mentioned? Is the solution head-over-heels love? Is it spending more time up front with my partner? Is it a case of 'opposites attract', or do we need to be fully compatible? Or is a combination of all of the above? or none?. I think you will eventually find that there is no magic formula, regardless of how the two people met and what the circumstances were around their marriage; they will still have problems and they will still have obstacles that they would need to overcome. Different methods suit different personalities (male of female) and none guarantees a happily-ever-after.

On February, 17, 2006 5:49 PM , bassel said:

wedad.. do you really hate men that much.. what did we do for you to reveal this antipathy towards MEN.
We are good..wallahe we are good..but you have to understand that all men are babies!!!

On February, 18, 2006 12:35 AM , Khalidah said:

Wedad, that is not what I am saying .. there are some great guys out there and not all of them are bad .. as there are good and bad men .. there are good and bad women .. I am hoping that I will end up with the right person ..

Bassel, many Arab men are also like that and there lies the problem .. it is in being dishonest and hiding so many facts from the other side till it is too late and then they show the other face .. it goes both ways.

Mustapha, that is exactly what is happening and that is why we have so many broken marriages even if they are not divorced .. Yes we should keep an open mind and yes you are right aboout what you said .. what I am trying to say is that there is nothing wrong in meeting someone through family as long as we are clear and honest every step of the way .. this is a lifetime decision .. and the old scenario of going to the girl's house and watch her do the cleche of coffee and all .. bleh .. if you are interested in meeting someone .. why don't you meet her out .. this way both of you will feel free and not watched by both your families.

Dar, can't wait to read your post :D

On February, 18, 2006 12:39 AM , Khalidah said:

Abdelstar, I agree that a bar is not the greatest place to meet a woman for marriage, but where would men in Jordan go?

Khawaja M, thank you .. exactly my point.

Fadi, meeting a lady this way is not a fairy tale; you can meet someone and love her enough to marry her .. be positive and you will ..

Abu Sinan, can I clone you? :P

On February, 18, 2006 12:44 AM , Khalidah said:

Laith, it is not preaching about personal cases as much as it is a discussion of cultural trends and traditions and how the approach is changing .. there is no right or worng and of course you don't know who you will end up with .. but you can at least decide on the accepted approach ..

Feras, that is because I am not trying to preach a solution here and as I said .. it is a point of view that I am presenting and like it to be discussed as you can see .. everyone can choose the way they like .. as for me .. I really don't care for the method as much as for the person, as long as he is honest and clear, it does not matter where and how I meet him .. but I am against the mom picking for her son .. he should have a personality of his own :D

Bassel, yeah .. men are big babies and they like to be pampered ..*sigh*

On February, 18, 2006 10:12 PM , Laith Zraikat said:

"cultural trends and traditions" dont control us as they did our parents and grandparents. It's more about personal preference, and given that most people tend to have double standards, it is easy to see people saying one thing and doing another.

Im just saying that we should not feel so strongly about our opinions in this matter specifically, and leave room for change of heart later on because you never know what life forces you to do in the end :)

On February, 19, 2006 5:27 PM , wedad said:

fadi & bassel !!! men are kids, u must be joking!! they said women are like snakes bs azen el3akes:P wala betfoot mo'7i! actually i didnt mean eni ahaze2kom kteer sorry, bs hay wejhet nazari if we are forced to get marry!! and i dont hate men at all, beleive for me being with a guy loves me much, its the greatest feeling in whole world :) but what can i say, all men in my family zay el7aita so iam afraid to have same experience :) hope not!!

On April, 07, 2006 6:29 AM , Crafty
from United States said:

Ok...Here is the deal...I am a man that has worked hard at being a good person, Period! Professionally, socially, and romantically. I am so picky because society and religion has ruined our woman. We have put them on pedestals and brain washed them with fairy tails, taught them to ignore their feeling and use the morals they have been forced to live by. The majority of the woman I meet, are introduced to or work with are afraid of the work. They want to get on a train that is speeding through success, rather then help a slow moving one go faster. They are unteam like insecure and petty. Religion has taught them to say the opposite of what they mean, which I am sure is where rape got it's start. It's pathetic really. I adore woman, they don't know how to be adored. Every woman I give a clean slate and 10 out of ten times I am disappointed. Do I settle? Hell No! I have put in to much work! I wish someone was looking out for me and looking for a wife for me. Not bitter just passionate.