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How do we get them to respect who we are??

Am I classified as a feminist when I say that there is a missing link between women and men in the Arab World? Is it too much to say that we speak different languages? Who is to blame for the current unspoken revolution that we are witnessing? Who is responsible; men or women?

I was watching an interview with a famous Arab actor a while ago; he was asked about the time he spent in the UK and his relationships with women at the time. His answers were very interesting and for the first time ever, I hear such honest answers and point of view.

He said that he was afraid to start a relationship with a foreign woman because his biggest fear was to be misunderstood for the ignorant Middle Eastern man who only sees physical aspects of women. Even when he started a relationship with an English woman; he compromised a lot because he did not want her to think that he was barbaric and uncivilized. He did and accepted things he would never have if he were with an Arab woman. 


As honest as this point of view may seem; it makes me think more about the double standards that our Arab men adopt in their lives. They are something when they are with their women in their own world and they become something totally different when they are dealing with women from the outer world. What makes this even sadder is that they do it out of selfishness; no offense to all guys out there, but you are doing it to be perceived as civilized by these women, and you give them your respect to the extent of doing everything you can to achieve an image you drew in your imagination, yet you don’t do the same with women from your own world because your community gives you such power, and in your heart; you don’t feel the need to prove anything to the Arab woman because she is lucky just to have you!

It makes sense now why Arab men don’t like strong women and prefer the woman who sees the world through their eyes; one that does not object and agrees to everything that they say. It makes sense now that a man lives his single life to the full and when he is thirty something or forty something and is finally ready to get married; he does not pursue a woman who is close to his age; or even from his generation, rather; he goes after a woman young enough to be his daughter and convinces himself that this is a fit marriage.

Why are they so afraid? What makes them think that such a young girl would have anything in common with them? Why do they respect the foreign woman and do their best to make her see them as civilized individuals yet they don’t do the same with Arab women?

I am an advocate for communication and I always say that it takes two to make the relationship fail or succeed, and I don’t like generalizations; I believe that exceptions of today will be the rules of tomorrow and that our children will not go through the same things that we went through. We are paving the roads for them to live easier lives.

Life itself is evolving rapidly and if we don’t keep up with it, we will not find a place in it for us. Change is always good as long as we take its positive side and learn from its negative one, but it does not make sense to hold on to old thoughts and say that they are a part of tradition and that we should accept them as they are without attempting to make them fit the life of today. It is a good thing to know about our cultures and traditions, and define the boundaries according to current life changes, as we cannot go by the same standards that our ancestors drew for themselves; time changed and more importantly; we did. I would like to believe that we are more sophisticated and knowledgeable, and that we are ready to take on new challenges in our lives.

The way I see it is that if we do not start accepting and customizing new changes in our lives; we will be left out and find ourselves on the sidewalks as life passes by and leaves us behind. It is much better to accept these changes and imbed them in our culture drawing some limits and boundaries to keep the Arab identity, than to be forced to take it or leave it.


To Arab men I say: meet us half way and respect us as peers and partners so that we can have decent fruitful communications and lives; help us understand your uniqueness and individuality as you do the same exact thing with us. There are fantastic people out there who can be great couples that will lead the future, but only if we adopted positive change in our lives.

As usual; your opinions are the sole purpose I blog; so please be generous and share your thoughts with everyone!


On March, 18, 2006 6:42 PM , Roba
from Jordan said:

Ahh, ya Khalidah. You speak my mind. Personally, as an Arab who was raised among Westerns and Westernized Arabs, I still find myself shocked at the mentalities around me.

It's really not just the men... it's also the women, and Arabs in general. There are double standards and a terrible an inability to understand the concepts of relativism and objectivism. There is sexism, lack of logic, and inability to look at life minus the outdated shackles of cultural and religious convinctions.

On March, 18, 2006 7:24 PM , Abu 7amarneh
from United Arab Emirates said:

ok,, let me put it this way!!

as an Arabic man,, I admit the double standards,,, but its NOT the way you describe,, i mean i wont ever never change my beliefs according to the (nationality) of my GF,,, y3ni this really ridicules,, sa7?

but what i mean by (double standards) that if you asked me how ill deal with a certain situation,, ill say something that may goes far from what i actually do if that specific thing happened to me,,

Ex. asking me a couple of years ago about if i can accept a GF with males best friends,, ill say a BIG NO!! but when it actually happened i found my self acting differently ,, i gave it a chance (i resisted at first to be honest) but it did work out and we are all friends,, and to a certain extent we had common friends ,,, remember that this is just an example.

Factors of change: environment, maturity, stability, open-minded parents, and resistance of bad habits,

BUT I HAVE MY RED LINES TOO,,,

moral (as i see it): Arabic new generation is changing.. both men and women,, just give it a chance,,,

last thing: I always say,,, that a man and a woman are different only in bed rooms

On March, 18, 2006 8:20 PM , Hamzeh N. said:

Khalidah, about that Arab man in the interview that you mentioned, is he currently still with his British lady? Is he currently single? Or is he now with an Arabic lady? And did he say whether he will make the same compromises with a future partner if she is Arab? And do you think he will?

On March, 18, 2006 8:34 PM , Geekette
from Canada said:

Unfortunately, this double-standard mindset is prevalent in many ethnic groups. I've seen it in the Middle East, West Africa, and within various ethnic groups in North America. It doesn't help when, in such surroundings everyone around (including women) helps to sustain an environment that fosters the men-on-a-pedestal-at-all-times doctrine. Its pretty interesting what we'll do when we know we can get away with it. Part of why men from such strong ethnic backgrounds tend to engage in the double standard reality with western women is because western women are generally more aware of their rights AND the law is on their side. It all boils down to the fact that people do what we let them.

On March, 18, 2006 8:46 PM , Anon said:

As a young Arab woman i wont marry an old geezer in his late 30s or 40. Let that be clear to them, if they plan to wait that long they will bi3ansou as well.. they should look for someone close to their own age. and by the way, i have refused a very good handsome rich educated young guy just because of his past history with many girlfriends... so guys, times are changing.. it's time to abandon your double standards.. i know no one can use them on ME.

On March, 18, 2006 10:02 PM , Firas
from Jordan said:

Good post.
Well to be politicaly correct,I am not an Arab. But since you are refering to Jordanian men in general then I am included.

A week ago I had a post regarding this issue on my blog. Again, I hope to see all Arab and non-Arab women independent and strong! Personally I need a partner who I can depend on, who I can have an intellegent conservation with.Someone who is able to raise our kids right.
Well, it is true. Some men prefer a younger and an unexperienced wife for the same reasons you have mentioned.
Anyways, regarding the double standards thing. Those men who do it are hypocrates.Though the enviroment you are in has a great effect.

So in answering your question, well the key is : EDUCATION!

I don't see why anyone should be concerned that there are Arab men are like that ! I mean you can easily tell if the guy is a jerk, so be picky and don't accept whatever male thing jumps in. But don't be too picky life is short.
lol

On March, 18, 2006 10:03 PM , Abu 7amarneh
from United Arab Emirates said:

Anon,,, refusing someone for his/her past is something to change too... unless you know,,, it was really very bad one,,, that no one could argue about,,, im sure u know what i mean.

On March, 19, 2006 1:18 AM , Natalia
from United States said:

In my opinion, women can be just as complicit in perpetuating these double standards. How many times have I talked to an Arab woman who believed something along the lines of "women need to have their place. Men should always be in charge. You are a Western woman, and you won't understand." Boy, if I had a dollar every time I heard or read or seen this, I'd be buying myself a nice Gucci purse right about now! The fact that I was born in Ukraine, a society that is, on some levels, incredibly sexist, where said sexism is often institutionalized, has really helped me see the subtle ways in which women can participate in discrimination against their own gender. My own mother does it!

The point I am trying to make is that men and women are all in this together. And not just Arab men and women. We are all responsible for erasing stereotypes, and pointing out the double standards.

On March, 19, 2006 3:27 AM , moi
from United States said:

Hi Khalidah,
I like your Mind's new look :)

On the subject of this post, I agree with a lot of the sentiments that you expressed, and it's a sad reality unfortunately. But I wouldn't generalize, because as some of the male commentators expressed, "they're not like that."
There's so many issues involved in this huge subject, but I just thought of something that we might not think about often...Isn't it amazing how the Prophet Muhammad wasn't intimidated to marry a women older, richer, and more popular than him? He respected her knowledge and her wisdom at that age, even though he soon became a prophet. Unfortunately, many Muslim men today get intimidated by women who are younger than them but might be more educated. Instead of taking this as an opportunity, they see it as a weakness. However, this isn't only a Muslim/Arab problem, as it is prevalent here in the US too... but of course it exists in it's own unique way in the Middle East.

On March, 19, 2006 4:07 AM , hadeelr said:

well written..

Who did allow the double standard between the two genders happen!!!!??

I myself blame the Arab woman on the Arab man behaviour and on their double standards act. The female from the beginning did allow herself to be controlled and toyed around just because the man of the house is the money provider and the ruler of the house. El wa7deh feena always compromising never allows discussion. Lish?

If a female did what most men do then she is not honoured? Wel sharf dayamn is the issue? may ask why? What upsets me more than anything is the male excuses of what the religion allow them but female are not allows doing? and again Why? Here where the double standard always involved...and I hate it, as I did notice it in a close relationship.

We need to speak our mind and allow a step to be taken and it is never tooo late to speak your mind. Ladies most of us in the same position as men. We do get education and allowed to work along men. So there is no execuses to be shutted up...

I believe in the 50/50 marriage the one built on trust and always allow a room for both to share the responsibilities and feel for each other

By the way when a guy decided to marry someone 12 or 15 years younger then that you blame the ignorance of the girl parents khalida and no one else.

It is sad to see the arab world like that....and you know although that actor is honst in his reply but sadly enough you can also call him "sad case" for thinking like that...a female should be treated with respect as she is the mother and the sister.

On March, 19, 2006 8:02 AM , Ramroom
from United Arab Emirates said:
On March, 19, 2006 8:18 AM , Ramroom
from United Arab Emirates said:

Lovely POST.

I dont why why, but I just remembered the book ( Orientalism) By Edward Said :)

Elmohim: I blame Arab women!! We as Arab girls cannot express ourselves clearly most of the time, and that's why a guy cannot be open nor honest most of the time! When it comes to clothes and the way we look , we are on TOP fashion. When it comes to education and knwledge, unfortunately girls nowadays could be real silly. Am not saying that non-arab women are better, but they just know how to treat a guy well. Something we Arab girls need to work on!!!

I don't think that Arab men fear smarter ARAB women!! It is just that they are RARE, and once found they could be scary not because they are smarter but most of the time they could be show offs and ask for too much. Every guy wants a smart woman to take care of him and his kids one day. Unfortunately, she can get too demanding :(



On March, 19, 2006 11:10 AM , eyad
from Jordan said:

Great post, I saw the interview, i really liked his character, he is brave, and honest.
i was thinking to write about that ;) but you took the chance before me.

keep going, i like what you write, believe in, the most important thing is to be wise as much as we can.

On March, 19, 2006 1:56 PM , Khalidah
from Jordan said:

Roba, I hear you .. we have to start the change chain reaction or we will stay right where we are

Abu 7amarneh, let's be realistic .. we all know and have seen how Arab men treat foreign women much better than Arab women .. even if this foreigner was a gipsy with no education whatsoever; she will still get more respect from the Arab man and a much better treatment .. so what is it with you Arab guys? Do you enjoy bullying Arab women or you just have the ultimate dream of having ajnabyeh fall for you and be with you, so that when you do have that, you are too afraid to make any move to keep the dream alive?

I really wonder

Hamzeh N, he did not marry the British lady and ended up marrying an Arab lady with foreign education and who was exposed to European culture .. and he was asked the same exact question if he will do the impossible for his wife and he avoided direct answer by stating differences between foreign women and Arab women .. my guess is that he will not be as compromising as he once was with the British woman ..

On March, 19, 2006 2:04 PM , Khalidah
from Jordan said:

Geekette, do you think we have such power or choice? do you think that if we want it so bad it can change? or that we can force them to treat us well? and lose the double standard attitude once and for all? I would like to know if there is a way!

Anon, not all guys should be rejected based on their past .. we all have pasts and we learn from them .. if you judge them by that and don't give the good ones a chance to prove that they did learn, then you might be losing on some good people who might be good husband materials .. my advise .. be careful and study their present rather than their past and focus on who they are now .. not who they once were

Firas, I agree with most of what you said here and in your post about the issue .. but I have to point out that education alone is not the answer as the double standard is a phenomenon that hits the educated the most .. the ignorant know only of one way to deal with things because they were never exposed to the other side .. it is the educated that suffer from double standard syndrome and make those around them suffer from the consequences .. if you ask me .. I would say that the solution is honesty and transparency .. being the same no matter what the circumstances are

On March, 19, 2006 2:11 PM , Khalidah
from Jordan said:

Natalia, you are right about this .. men and women are in this together and each must do their part to make the change happen

moi, I do not like generalization as I stated in the post .. but the problem is that this phenomenon is too prevalent with Arab guys and is way too annoying .. it is time to but an end to all old beliefs and make a new fresh start .. otherwise we will be left behind while the whole world moves forward ..

hadeelr, I agree with you .. but we cannot solely blame it all on women .. women in the Arab World are still struggling to gain their basic rights in life and some pioneer ladies took this responsibility upon themselves to change life for others .. it is true that there are large numbers of women who believe in their hearts that they are less than men .. but that is the way they were raised and brought up .. add to that the lack of education and male dominancy .. and you have the current situation as a result .. you gotta cut them some slack :D

On March, 19, 2006 2:16 PM , Khalidah
from Jordan said:

Ramroom, thanks for the tag .. will do that later :)

As for your comment about this post; I find myself forced to disagree with you .. there are plenty of smart women out there .. they are not rare as you say .. but they are actually intimidating to men because they do know their rights and stand up for them .. that's why they are alienated and considered misfits ..

I do agree with you though on the fact that Arab women do not understand men well ..

eyad, thank you for your comment :)

On March, 19, 2006 8:09 PM , hamede
from United States said:

Ya.

On March, 19, 2006 9:52 PM , Geekette
from Canada said:

<<Geekette, do you think we have such power or choice? do you think that if we want it so bad it can change? or that we can force them to treat us well? and lose the double standard attitude once and for all? I would like to know if there is a way!>>

Alas Khalidah, there are no easy answers. :( Change will happen, but very slowly. You are quite right in saying that it should start with individual transparency. And although it may not seem to help much now, education is key. Classroom/academic education often leads to non-classroom education which is equally important. I.e. heightened awareness of oneself, surroundings, and the outside world which in turn may lead to re-assessment of one's environment, which is a start. It is precisely this possibility that keeps silly gits aka the muttaween in Saudi forever foaming at the mouth. Not everyone is a sh*t-starter/trailblazer, but everyone can be an enabler. I.e. most people may not elect to kick the ball, but will pass it along once it starts rolling. But that can only happen if they're in the right frame of mind to realize the importance of the ball's journey towards the goal.

Like I said, its a slow process which could take generations. E.g. countries like China & Japan went from being extremely closed cultures to places where increasingly, women are becoming more independent, confidently refusing to marry early, (much to the dismay of the conservative older generation), being pickier about future partners, etc.

On March, 20, 2006 12:28 PM , wedad
from Jordan said:

I wanted to say and share something but khaleda as always you said everything!
but what Iam sure from that if the girl was educated enough and mature enough to choose the right one, she will not face this problem at all!! this issue depends on us "women" not "men" because they always think like that! and will not change:)

On March, 20, 2006 4:19 PM , Abu Sinan
from United States said:

Well, I think that Arab women play a part, but it is the man dominated culture, that is to blame in the end.

Look, more and more Arab women in the West here are marrying American or Western converts. Why? Because there is a feeling that even in the Arab men born and raised here that these attitudes still exist.

I have seen it with my own eyes, so I know to a certain extent this belief is true. It is amazing how the culture can live and effect even people born and raised in the West.

I am a Muslim convert and I am married to a lady from the Gulf. I remember when we got married another lady saying that "we(meaning Arab women) need more men like you."

Here in the West the attitude and behavior of men is having consequences. Arab women here are marrying non Arabs to avoid the behavior, going out and doing "haraam" to avoid marriage, or just not getting married at all.

I have gotten some rude responses from Arab men when they find out I am married to an Arab woman, which is nonsense as I am a Muslim and there is no reason we cannot marry. My response is, learn to treat your women better and maybe they wont feel the need to look outside of their own community to be treated as an equal, a friend, a partner, a wife.

On March, 22, 2006 12:07 AM , Dalal Almaydhan
from United Kingdom said:

First of all, I am so proud of u Khalida and ur interesting article :), everything u mentioned is 100% true!
But unfortunately not too many arabs r open minded enough to agree with these facts. The question is how do we get them to hear and read about these facts? When they r too busy with their material lives more than their self-improvments?
I am arabic who lived in Saudi Arabia for more than 20 years, and I have seen all kinds of "double standerd", and what still upset me so much, is the selfishness of men! For eg:
A man tends to have so much fun in his single live, by messing around, having sex......etc, and when he is FINALLY ready to get married he would want to make sure to choose the PERFECT pure woman who had absolutely no any relationship experinces before! How can this make sense? How can he deserves this pure woman?
I'm sorry if I'm being too honest and I don't expect all arab ppl will agree with my comment, but lets face the ugly reality!

Thanks Khalida, u r an amazing writer!

On March, 27, 2006 8:47 PM , John
from United Arab Emirates said:

I am not from Emirates but anyway let me tell you that every thing you said about men is right and I am so happy to find a girl like you really understand men, but u will b surprised if I said there is some other men they are really perfect and some other women they are really bitchs and this is all coming from so many things inside us but I am sure the real Christian men and I mean real they are really value women cos they love Jesus and Jesus ask them to love every one and men & Women are the same.(I am talking about the Coptic Christians which I’m one of them)

On April, 21, 2006 4:55 AM , Leonidas said:

Hiya new here so just sayin hello